Christine Sonnenberg – September 02, 2007 @ 08:35 AM I hear voices that tell me to take care of myself, reminding me to take medication that I take daily. My daughter, sister and her daughter hear and experience such things as glass breaking before it happens doorbells and phone ringing before they actually ring. I am also pre-cognative and will hear some things break, water running, such as this before it happens. I don't know how common that it is. My experiences do not frighten me anymore me as they have in the very beginning, they have actually helped me with tests in college if you knkow what I mean, just got to know what to listen for and have all the right set of courses available to me when it happens. One example today, was I was driving in my car today, going to the grocery store, and when I pulled up to park, I heard the sound of my car keys hit a floor. A minute or two after I had been shopping, My car keys fell out of my back pocket, and hit the it mimicked the very same sound that I had overheard! This is relatively a new thing that has been happening. Very interesting to say the least. Well, That is about it, a little different response than usual you may expect, but a very honest one. Maybe some one reading this may be able to shed some light on this for me or have a similiar Occurrence. PS, (Sorry for that first post, that was an accident, had to finish some) Christine from MO

My experience of hearing voices started last winter. Being an energy healer on a spiritual path, I did not get upset or even scared. I saw this development as a natural progression of my spiritual process. At first this phenomena was very subtle, and consisted of encouraging, mostly affirmative statements, occurring mostly when I reflected on insights I was getting as a result of self-analysis and meditation. Sometimes, I was sure I was receiving telepathic messages, particularly from yoga teachers and healers when I was in their presence. My understanding was that I was becoming clairaudient, able to hear spirits of spiritually-evolved people and incarnate spirits too. Over time voices became increasingly more directive, I thought they maybe my spirit guides; some of their advice, it seemed, and encouragements were good. I felt as if I was going through some kind of a divine engagement, an initiation to some mysterious spiritual brotherhood perhaps. Everything became increasingly more alive and reactive to my thoughts and feelings. I felt unity with all and it was wonderful. For example, I could go for a long drive in an unknown area and without paying attention to the signs on the road would get back to where I started or wanted to go. Here's another example, when at a party or even on a street I saw a woman I found attractive, in an instant I thought ‘I’d like to meet her’ woman turned around and looked at me with a smile. Let me put it in perspective: I am shy, so this was an especially positive development in my life. On several instances voices claimed to be God or Goddess, but more they camouflaged as spiritual guides, friends or thought adjusters (I was reading Urantia at a time). Then, gradually at fist, voices started giving me some silly, even destructive ideas, which did not agree with my understanding of reality and my values of truth, fairness and love. They promoted alienation and tried to turn me against my friends and family. When I did not follow on their advice they called me names, and tried to prove me worthless and generally a bad person. At that point I realized these are not my friends and asked them to leave. The voices got even angrier and more hateful, assaulting me almost non-stop with terrible curses and insults, reacting to my every thought, trying to scare, confuse or make me feel guilty. They criticized everything I did, including thoughts, and in fact demanded that I stop thinking. Telepathic experiences continued but now they were increasingly with junkies and weirdoes on the street, who were insulting and mucking me. I still don’t know if it was only my perception and if in fact telepathy was masterfully orchestrated by whatever was the actual source of the voices, or it was real. When I stared questioning the source of what I perceived as extra-sensory voices, external ‘voice’ experiences have gradually diminished. The inner voices, though, continued their assault, adding to their repertoire suggestions that it’s all over for me, advising a suicide. I begun my research; if these are not being of light who are they? I considered this being a mental condition. Hiving studied psychology extensively in college and after, considering the circumstances and the presentation, it just doesn’t make sense that some kind of neurosis or chemistry disbalance is all there is to it. I suppose it is remotely possible that various archetypes of my unconsciousness, as described by Carl Jung, ganged up on my Self. For little under a month, I took Risperdal, medication psychiatrist recommended. It made me sluggish but did little for the voices. I explored psychological models too. After all this, I’m almost certain that most likely these voices belong to very confused and morally corrupt incarnate spirits, perhaps even demons. I realize now that I was very naïve in previously thinking inner voices can be explained as either coming from good divine source (i.e. spirit guides) or hallucination (i.e. schizophrenia). This page describes my experience almost exactly: http://www.spiritualcuriosity.com/seduction_of_the_spirits.htm This site, as many other anti-demonic resources, suggests a Christian deliverance as the method for dealing with forces of darkness. It most definitely makes sense that a divine intervention would be helpful in my case. The thing is, I was not brought up a Christian. In fact, I grew up in an atheistic Eastern European culture. When I came to the United States, with great interest, I studied various mystical and spiritual philosophies. I progressed to becoming agnostic, then a believer in God. It made logical sense and it felt right. I believe God is good, loving and just. However, without personal revelation I find it hard to claim Jesus as the Savior and God. This is not a matter of pride; it’s a matter of commitment to truth as I know it. Don’t’ get me wrong, in no way am I denying the possibility that all or much of what bible teaches is true, but as an educated and honest man I cannot turn a blind eye on numerous logical fallacies present in common arguments for validity of the biblical interpretations, and bible itself. This is equally true for other spiritual texts. They all claim some kind of divine or enlightened origin, supported by supposed miracles and eye-witnesses, have many followers, and furthermore, most claim exclusive rights to the Truth. Nevertheless, I am willing to try and I have, including several attempts to cast demons out on the name of the Jesus Christ. I also tried shamanic healing and spirit release therapy. Doesn’t look like any of it worked, not yet anyway. The voices are making fun of it. I pray to God to show me the way. In my research I found several stories which illustrate experiences that provided me with some insight. I used to believe everything happens for a reason, but it now seems that the reasons might not be as mechanical as in some theories of Karma. I just don’t see how, in this lifetime anyway (I don’t remember any other), I could have deserved this happening to me. I am not perfect, and certainly I’ve made my share of mistakes, but overall I think I’m a pretty good person. Perhaps the spiritual reason could be murky as exemplified in biblical book of Job. Or perhaps this is some kind of trial, like the Temptation of Saint Anthony, or an uncomfortable but necessary manifestation of Kundalini Awakening, or Shamanic Illness. I don’t know. Right at this moment, as I’m writing this, the voices are blaming me for not following their instructions months ago. Typical of them, they want me to fault myself for supposedly aborting an initiation I supposedly was going through. At other times they’ve told me that they hate me because I’m unattractive. This is but one example of their, mostly unsubstantiated, attempts at damaging my sense of self worth. There are several voices which I hear often that seem to belong to distinct personalities, but there’s one that is most predominant, a young female voice, talking to me almost all the time. Thankfully, both harshness and volume of the assaults have been gradually decreasing in the past weeks. I attribute this to my realizing the nature of the voices and learning to be unaffected by whatever they throw at me. I hope my story will encourage and assist some people going through similar experience, and that it will also invite some helpful feedback, which I welcome.

Dear distressed healer,

I'm a healer too and voice hearer too as you can see reading my story. (alessandra's story http://www.intervoiceonline.org/2007/3/10/alessandra-s-story)

It is not easy to reply to your very sincere and well explained e mail full of emotions and hints to reflect.

The first thing that comes to my mind is to say that t must be hard to go from a state of mind and spirit of protection and good guidance to the one of being insulted and limited in your freedom. especially if the bad experience comes from the same channel that used to be a channel of wellness and good experience for you.

It must feel a little bit like beying betrayed by friends.

I had only once a similar experience. I was used to talk (as I believe) telepatically with a friend (the one who taught me to use this channel of communication with him) when I heard a bad insulting voice answering back to me. It was sad and scary and I got so confused.. how could it be that my beloved one could harm me after having protected me ?

I talked to him the day after and did what he told me to do. and it fortunately helped thing not to come up again. I don't know if it was praying with all my heart that worked or the fact that I strongly trusted him and by doing what he suggested I felt more secure of myself and therefore I did not opern that bad door anymore.. the point is that it worked.

I don't of course have the true answer to what is happening to you . What I can tell you is what my experience is.

What i have learnt of myself is that I probably have these "channels" , these gifts or watever you call them, these kind of antennas that may work very well but if I'm too tired or psicologically not well or deeply unhappy of my life or too scared of something than I might get some wrong messages, like tuning on to some other channel that is not the favorite one ang ending up listening to some other programme.

This used to happen in the beginning of my "strange" experience of hearing voices. than with experience, getting to know myself a little better and how I functioned these things did not occur anymore.

I must admit I took prayers as a mean of protection. that's what the person who first talk to me about voiced told me to do and that's what I did and worked. so you see, it is a mixture in my opinion of psycological spiritual factors that are involved in this kind of experience, at least in mine.

I believe that sometimes our fears, our psicological weaknesses open the door to our very nasty mind or to something else maybe that just gets feeded by our negative self esteem, fears and so on.

Whatever it is , let's start getting to know ourselves better, our fear, our dreams, what needs maybe to be changed in our lif e and what needs to be accepted of ourselves as far as my experience is concerned this helps. friends help. love help. feeling not lonely in this whole journey of awareness help .

Take care of yourself

And meabe , who knows.. you may have to get through this experience to be able one day to become a better and wiser healer. if that' is what you wish to become.. :-)

Alba

Dear Alba, thank you for your kind words of encouragement. I do expect that my getting through this ordeal will make me better and wiser healer, and also a more resilient man. I've got to tell you though, in my case anyway, doing what they ask would be damaging. They explicitly ask me to be a rude asshole. If I complied this would 1. give them substantial ammunition to use against me and try to make me feel guilty 2. feed their sense of control over me. It seems you may have more variety with your channels of communication with the incarnate beings; mine are nearly always negative, no matter what mood I am in. I could be coming out full of joy having just spent two hours in a wonderful kirtan by Krishna Das, and hearing voices shout at me 'shut the fuck up', chanting 'it's bull shit, it's all bull shit.' They tell me they are different. Perhaps, but it's been a long time since I've heard anything good worth hearing from any of the incarnate voices. I suspect it is possible that transmission from true spirit guides is been obstructed by these dark beings. I continue to pray that beings of Light will hear me through the veil of darkness and come to my rescue. I also continue my personal work, weeding out erroneous beliefs and chronic complexes, cultivating values and abilities that are representative of real me. I wish you and every good soul reading this good luck in winning your battles.

Dear Distressed healer, I too used to be a healer and found myself with similar experiences, in that I started to hear negative voices, have nightmares, and see things that were not so good. Where in the past it was always good experiences. When I look back, I see it was a spiritual crisis. Many describe similar experiences as "the Dark night of the soul" a time when it seems that all the goodness that looks after you has disappeared. And you are seeminly left in the dark. Why? It is not because you have done something wrong. Do not think that. Many saints suchs As Teresa of Avila and St John and Padre Pio also fought with not so nice forces. I no longer have such negative experiences. I look back at that time and have analysed it. In some ways through personal relationships, I had experienced a certain amount of betrayal, and a lack of support from those around me. This led to an innate sense of mistrust. Due to life changing situations , I had been living the lifestyle I had dreamed of, but it came crashing down, and I had lost faith in my dreams. I was spending what I consider now as "too much time" in the spirit world or meditation, was isolated from others, which always is a nono for people who hear voices. I felt like a set upon victim. Powerless in the extreme, but realised one day that i had to get on with my life, regardless of the negativity. I made a list of goals for work/ relationships/ homelife, and set about reaching them. This took the emphasis away from the negativity, and allowed me to feel control over my life and circumstances. I no longer drink alcohol, or use any drugs of any kind. I meditate and do Yoga when stressed. But note in meditation I now use a mantra, so instead of floating off, I concentrate on the words over and over again, and in that way have trained my mind, and energy to be stronger and focus where I want them to. So Ham is a simple mantra to use. I only meditate for a short time a day. And in it I practice bringing the mind back to the breath and the mantra constantly, rather than floating off. Health is important, as is sleep. To keep mind and body healthy. The most important things I can say however, is 1)You have done nothing wrong, do not blame yourself at all . forgive yourself for any action you feel may have contributed to it, guilt and shame only make things worse. you cannot change the past- let it go. 2) A book I read by Swami Muktananda " Play of Consciousness"a SIddha Yoga gave me great strength. he says- every meditator gets to a point where he finds the center of his fear. Many are frightened and give up at this point. But if you can get through the fear you will progress in great strides. In his book he visited many places in his meditations, some were good, some were bad and he explains this is just how it is. With voices, in my experience, I cant talk for anyone else, but getting through the fear was a major step. No longer being afraid of them. Taking back my power and control. 3) I started to see them as beings who had been lost and needed help, like the buddhist traditions. for some people the voices are very similar to a person who betrayed them perhaps in an earlier time in their life, and are replayed again and again. Others see it as a part of them that has split off and become disassociated from them after a traumatic experience. It is almost as if the unconscious mind has become manifest, the door has opened between dreams and awakeness, and you feel and see all the things your mind has hidden all at once, fears included. Everyones journey is different, but there are many similarities within those journeys. Try looking at each voice, and see if it can relate in anyway to the way you feel about something. Are they playing on your insecurities and fears about yourself, if so then set about overcoming them alittle at a time. Or accept them and move on. often when you realise what it is the energy seems to dissipate. If you see them as something evil and scary, that is the effect they will have on you. Change the way you see them, imagine them as children who are lost and surviving in the wilderness. I used to do that, imagine the voice as a child, and often it would diminish. I know it is a difficult journey,. Remember to be good to yourself. Always acknowledge your victories, know they cannot hurt you, and the only thing to Fear is fear itself. Must go, hope this was helpful is any way. Try joining the forum here, and perhaps we can discuss these things further. Regards Adrienne

Are you sure your voice hearing is not electronic harasment. Check out the history of Mkultra. It has come to the UK. There is a help group in the UK - many many stories on the web about this. Don't be fooled into thinking this your body doing this. There is evidence that Project Mkultra 119 was about this very phenomena. Projecting sound and image into the Cranium. If the sound is coming from the back of your head - you have had your mind hacked. The concept of this is not new its just proving it. There are countless patents illustrating the technology exists and when and where it was developed. Look in the newspapers - over the last few years the technology has been catching up with itself. Look in medical torture, look under neuropsychology and parapsychology. Join those two concepts together - you get voice hearing. Look up Frey - he invented the equipment. This is just for starters. Look up the neurophone - sound through your skin. Look up remote viewing, psychotronics, less-lethal weapons, directed energy weapons. The whole of the spectrum is used to get bodily effects as well. The history is full-on and vivid - it cannot be brushed under the carpet any longer as too many people are connecting together across the world. The history of the theosophical society tells you about this spiritual experience. A combination of philosophy, religion and science. Combine that with neuropsychology and parapsychology and you get some kind of understanding of where this came from and who was interested in it. The US government - Ted Kennedy exposed it all during the 70's and now it is still continuing. There has been a pandemic of cases springing up all over the world. Anyway enough for now. Regards C

Dear Adrienne and C, thank you for your kind replies. Adrienne, what a great story. It's very encouraging to read, being that you have successfully walked through and out of the valley of darkness. I believe you're right on the money with your advice. Every word you said confirmed my personal observations. By the way, I also found chanting very helpful, more formal, such as those in Sanskrit, or simpe OM, and also whatever sound spontaneously comes from the depth of my soul, often in a form similar to the Native American songs (i.e. Way ya – Hi ya – Way ya- Hey ya). This I found to be one of the best activities to keep my spirit up, and mind mind away from the content of what the voices are saying. It can be done whenever the mind does not have to do analytical work. I sing it out loud when no one can hear me, like when I'm driving, or in my mind, when I'm in public. I'm making my first baby steps in prayer and am encouraged by the results so far. It seems to have a strengthening effect on my spirit. C, that's a fascinating concept I have never heard of, till now, since I started hearing the voices; and I've done a considerable amount of 'hearing voices' research. I've got to tell you, I've thought about this from the very beginning, it certainly feels like this might very well be the case, but did not dare to consider this as the most probable explanation of the phenomenon since the technology you describe is extremely futuristic. I brushed away thoughts that I might have been hacked, maybe by some technologically more advanced alien civilization, because this seems even crazier than evil spirits hypothesis, and, more importantly, even more hopeless. Now that you've mentioned it, I think I'll investigate it further. Please do let us know if you've come across any specific resources you found particularly helpful, besides what you already mentioned, especially those that might hold a clue to a resolution of the problem. It would be much appreciated.

Dear Distressed Healer and others who are wrestling with the problem of origins, Though I have been experiencing voices since birth it is only in recent years that I have come to the understanding that when considering the origins of my voices, that the only logical conclusion that I am able to draw is that they are the result of belief systems. the more belief systems that one has the greater the number of avenues one allows the voices to be able to approach from. Unless one is knowledgeable in his or her beliefs they will most certainly be challenged in their beliefs by voices on some level. A person must stay rooted in his or her fundamental beliefs in order to achieve even a semblance of authority or respect from the voices on that belief level. I have found that as long as I stick to what I believe and am steadfast in my knowledge the voices will relent. Don't get me wrong, it is not easy. They are equally knowledgeable: and they will attack your beliefs from every angle and direction. They cannot deafeat the truth however they try. They will try to confuse you to the truth in order to gain dominance in your life. But, they have never been able to defeat the truth. Garbage in Garbage out.

Dear Erskine, thank you for this very interesting perspective. Are you talking about general theological belief system or a belief in an explanation for the voices? In either case, I very much in agreement with you. One of the points the voices consistently trying to drive through is that "it is all bull shit." They are particularly invested in my considering all religion and spirituality in this way. To this end, no doubt, they exploited my life-long research of many different theological models. Since there are so many conflicting theories, they reason, it must be all an illusion. I disagreed from the start. The point of my wide-scoped research was to investigate as many plausible models as possible and pick one I can wholeheartedly have faith in, resting well that I did not leave anything better out. This approach, by the way, I do not recommend to others. It may have oppened the doors to what I believe is demonic influence. Ultimatelly, though, at a stiff price, it worked for me. Ironically, it is the spirits, who have lead me to Christianity, a religion which best describes the highly unusual and perplexing phenomena I have been experiencing for a year now. More importantly, it also offers a cure, which, thank God, too, worked for me. Daily prayer, several deliverance sessions and exorcisms, baptism and confirmation, have resulted in seveny percent reduction in how much voices I hear, to date. I expect and pray for a complete recovery.

Distressed Healer, I would encourage you to continue looking at C's suggestion. There is a www site www.freedomfchs.com that is another place to start. They have a page listing other www sites on this and related topics. I would especially recommend www.eharassment.ca which also includes other resources. As always, use caution in deciding who is safe. In this, and other areas of abuse, the 'wolves' like to mix with the 'sheep.' The rape crisis center of canada recognizes the problem of electronic harassment. Electronic harassment includes the hearing of voices,(both insulting and supportive, as you desribe), and can include sensations that feel either like consensual sex or rape. As well as many other phenomena. The perpetrators take advantage of the victims' belief systems, and can mimic god, satan, spirit guides, dead loved ones, etc etc. They often somehow first gain the person's 'trust'and then turn on him. There is hope, spiritually and practically. Don't give up. Many others are on this path, and exploring ways to deal with this. anon